Server Files

fouc

Well-Known Member
You said you doesn't want your file to be public released... That was your words !
And even if it is coming from opendayz admins, if it is not following the rules, it should not be there...

But if you will release it ok, no problems but why saying you don't want to do it if finally you'll do it ! o_O

What I only want is : if a mod will not be public release, please don't make the pub here and delete the posts/forums about it ! that's all ;)
 

Vilemouse

Well-Known Member
You said you doesn't want your file to be public released... That was your words !
And even if it is coming from opendayz admins, if it is not following the rules, it should not be there...

But if you will release it ok, no problems but why saying you don't want to do it if finally you'll do it ! o_O

What I only want is : if a mod will not be public release, please don't make the pub here and delete the posts/forums about it ! that's all ;)
Epidemic isn't my mod, i helped in it lol, Revolution is my mod
 
I dont think you get what he is saying. If Unleashed is not OPEN and free to change accordingly then no matter if any Mods, Admins or Gods made it, it shouldnt be HERE.

The name Open Dayz I pressume is selected for a reason.
 

Gagi2

Valued Member!
and this is what happens when the server files of any mod goes public and allows server admins to do what ever they want without restraint, its like that cause of the pvp servers, i mean i remember back in the hive only days, people were scared to shoot you at first lol
orly?
what has this to do with the KOS problem? NOTHING... lol...
 

fouc

Well-Known Member
I dont think you get what he is saying. If Unleashed is not OPEN and free to change accordingly then no matter if any Mods, Admins or Gods made it, it shouldnt be HERE.

The name Open Dayz I pressume is selected for a reason.
You said it well better than me... What is strange and not announcing good news I think, is that we didn't had any answers from the mod maker ! But I saw hima couple of times connected... So what do we have to think about that ?

Not really a problem as there are many other mods open source that are feating with my vision of dayz. But it is sad to not be able to test this one (which seems very good) on private server, under control, with only "good" players ;)
 

Vilemouse

Well-Known Member
Unleashed aint even out yet.. so idk how you could test it.. sorry im gona call you a retard, and this thread will most likely be deleted cause all it is, is people bitching and complaining about things
 

fouc

Well-Known Member
I'm just asking two things, so stop insulting me, I was very polite, and so are other people here, you're the only one that seems to be a retard and don't understand what we are saying !

First is : will it be a private server release ? => Still waiting for an answer from the dev team
Second : if not, could the admin please delete this mod from the server as if there is no private/open release, it will only be a publicity there without any "open" impact for the community.

That's all ! And don't talk about your mod as the question is only for this mod here... So I'm just waiting for official answers.
 

Vilemouse

Well-Known Member
No, it won't be private server, it will be GSP only, you will buy it from approved GSP with no monetary earning to the dev, infact it will cost the creator to run the hive.. lol
 
You have a shitty arrogant attitude! And I like the fact that you keep claiming theres no money involved even though noone has asked regarding that. Howcome?

With that being said I actually thought your Mod of a Mod looked really promising. Maybe you should hire a PR guy cause I think youre loosing loads of people on this. But then again - you dont care right?
 

Vilemouse

Well-Known Member
Lol its not even my project, iv just been in the chat when things were said, iv left now but since no one has answered iv been answering, and cause everyone knows its about money, you only care its open source so you don't have to pay #0$ again since you obviously own a dedicated
 

fouc

Well-Known Member
cause everyone knows its about money, you only care its open source so you don't have to pay
Wrong... if the mods is good and dev are friendly and helpfull, I pay (I'm maybe the only one but I will continue) through donation. That will be the case for Civilian with the coming release. That was the case with other mods in the past !

The money issue is mainly from dev part who wants to earn money ! That's understandable as they are spending time and sometimes money on their projects. But dayz is a open source community since the beginning and it won't change so if someone try to earn money he will not have a big success and his mod will die. And more since origins fail ;) so if you make a mod, make it for the community, for dayz, not to earn money...
 

Vilemouse

Well-Known Member
Wrong... if the mods is good and dev are friendly and helpfull, I pay (I'm maybe the only one but I will continue) through donation. That will be the case for Civilian with the coming release. That was the case with other mods in the past !

The money issue is mainly from dev part who wants to earn money ! That's understandable as they are spending time and sometimes money on their projects. But dayz is a open source community since the beginning and it won't change so if someone try to earn money he will not have a big success and his mod will die. And more since origins fail ;) so if you make a mod, make it for the community, for dayz, not to earn money...
But again how is the dev making money? as i look at it.. the dev is down about... what? 300$ a month his words for hosting the hive, the GSP's aint giving him money to get the files, there just chosen from there reputation and quality..
soo.. again? hows he making money lol

Maybe you should just be quiet then? No doubt you did more damage then good by opening your mouth
Na, because i knew this argument would come, plus it gives me something to do and idk how im doing more damage, im not the one bitching about something thats not even finished or released yet ^.^ think about that one :D
 

fouc

Well-Known Member
I doubt about it... I know someone who has made a good tool and now is selling it through Hosting sites and he his making money easily (at least the amount requested before this agreement but without the need to search for customers), without anything to do except making new release and bug fixing !

So before trying to work with host companies, the best way is to try it on the community and give the companies a new release bug free and up-to-date (and not to the community). Like a teasing ;)

But anyway that's not the subject of the topic.

You say
im not the one bitching about something thats not even finished or released yet
But the mod is released no ? It is already opened for beta testing... So my question was innocent. Do they have a server release. YOU are making big things for nothing ! YOU are talking about money. I'm just asking for a server release.

EDIT : I prefer to stop discussing with you here... I just wait for the dev to answer (you've seen things but maybe not all on irc) and maybe admin to make a clean on the forum for mods without any open source files !
 

thevisad

Moderator
Staff member
To answer several questions here since I believe in openness

Current Costs
Hive Server: $99 a month
Dedicated Server: $125 a month
Web Server: $7 a month
Git: $7 a month
Email Host: $5 a month
Storyboard Artist: $300
Forum Software: $140
Forum Addons: $40 +$50 + $20 + $10
Total Monthly costs based on 12 months: -$290(+$75 based on GSP split of Hive)
Total Monthly Earning from Unleashed: -$215 Per Month
Total Donations to the site this month: $157 ( $120 of which came from other Unleashed developers )
Current Monthly cost: -$58

GSP Costs
Fees Charged to GSP to host: None
Requirements of GSP to host: None
GSP Responsibilities: To provide good servers at a reasonable cost to customers and vote in new GSP's into the approved GSP list, with me having the final vote in case a tie/no votes from GSP.
Costs GSP incur: 1/4 of the Hive cost ($25 a month), there are currently 3 GSP's and the hive costs $99, of which I pay $24. They also incur whatever the costs are of whatever server they wish to run.

Hive Files
The hive is being majorly extended, there are stability issues that need to be identified as this is no longer Rajkosto's hive layout, nor is it Reality's hive. It is a completely new layout with instance variables, quests, base building, anti-hack queries built in for Admin levels, bans and white listing and much much more. The number of child calls have more then doubled. In addition an entire new hive security system is being implemented which will prevent the issues that people have been seeing with Bliss/Reality. Completion factor: 65%

Server Files
Server files will be freely give to the public once we reach a stable platform. I am not Origins, never have been and never will be. However, the server files will not be given out until after we can make sure that our Hive/Server relationship is as secure and bug free as we can make it. Any argument to release before its time will simply be ignored. We do not need 100's of people running the server making claims of things being broken because they do not understand how to properly run a hive/server setup. We have trained technicians (GSP techs) who run hundreds/thousands of different types of servers, system administrators, MySQL developers and developers who are familiar with PHP, c++ and SQF working on these systems. If we cannot figure something out then there is definitely something broken.

Client Files
Are freely available on our download sites, once server files are released you may openly edit these files.

Open Beta
The open beta is there to help us determine the current bugs in the setup. We have opened over 125 tickets in our GIT to attempt to resolve issues with the hive/server/client at all levels. The people that are testing are identifying the things that the server admins would come to us and complain about.


TheVisad
 

thevisad

Moderator
Staff member

I have not made up my mind at this point to be honest. It is my opinion that private hives degrade the game. After having developed Reality for almost the past year, I have seen what private hives do to the scene. Again, this is a generalization, but from what I have seen it has not been all that great. Your server banner is a prime example of the issue, 300+ vehicles on a map is extreme. We run 100 on Napf, which can fit 3 Chernarus in it and that is almost too many.

Regardless, there will need to be another revamp of the hive files when/if that occurs, since private hives won't need all the additional security we are adding into the current hive.
 
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