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"and addons incorporated into the Program) are owned by Bohemia Interactive a.s. (the Licensor) or its licensors. "
The licences quoted all refer to the actual tools not the content you create with them...
"and addons incorporated into the Program) are owned by Bohemia Interactive a.s. (the Licensor) or its licensors. "
No. You are just not correct on that... the line you quote is from the tools EULA... in full it reads:
This computer software program, any printed materials, any on-line or electronic documentation, and any and all copies and derivative works of such software program and materials (the “Programâ€) are the copyrighted work. All use of the Program is governed by the copyright law and by the terms of the End-User License Agreement, which is provided below (“Licenseâ€). By using the Program you agree to be legally bound by the terms of this license agreement. Any use, reproduction or redistribution of the Program not in accordance with the terms of the License is expressly prohibited. If you do not agree to the terms of this Agreement, do not install or use the Program.
1. Ownership: All title, ownership rights and intellectual property rights in and to the Program and any and all copies thereof (including but not limited to any titles, computer code, themes, objects, methods of operation, any related documentation, and addons incorporated into the Program) are owned by Bohemia Interactive a.s. (the Licensor) or its licensors. The Program is protected by the Czech copyright laws, international copyright treaties and conventions and any other applicable laws. All rights are reserved.
Incorporated into, not created by.
They are talking about the addons for their tools that they own... it's just legally required specification of exactly what parts of the subject program they own...
I used to read legal contracts all day long... that eula has NOTHING to do with content created with that program...
again any custom 3d models and textures he made are HIS. He does NOT need to share them. Same may go for the map he made depending on the program he used to make it. Can he use them in an arma mod and not share them for profit? NO but can he drop out of the arma modding thing and say those are my models give them back? YUP.
The other thing to keep in mind is that he is talking about having a 2nd external hive, in which case they NEED time to figure out how that will work before releasing it... THAT also could be proprietary... the code certainly is. And if he copy protected that before you put it up, there will DEFINATELY be legal problems...
He has been handing free things to the community since 2010 I find it shocking that he would promise there would be a public release in another month and request patience and the response was to subvert that and release what really is HIS to determine when it should be released.
All I've ever heard about GP and Origins has been VERY negative and bad... but I don't have any 1st hand info,
ALL my first had info and experience with OpenDayZ has been AWESOME, I REALLY love this place and all the folks I've interacted with here...
But I can not see how this was the right thing to do, or the mature way of handling it.... and I really think you guys may have opened yourselves up to legal woes you don't want over something silly and maybe even a mis-understanding...
I hope this situation diffuses itself and I"m def. not looking to stir up shit... but I REALLY HOPE I'm missing something here....
No. You are just not correct on that... the line you quote is from the tools EULA... in full it reads:
Sorry to say, the EULA for BI Tools AND ARMA 2 OA are the same. Load up the ARMA 2 manual, scroll to EULA, and you will see it.
And besides, someone already brought up a good point, and that was in the case of the usage of texture, buildings, other models, etc that are used in Taviana that are from the CA packages. In the end, all they pretty much own is yes, their own models and textures, and pretty much only the heightmap after that.
I really don't want to derail like this so I"m going to leave this as my last reply on the matter...
IF GP is trying to profit and package this as a game of it's own or something, obviously you are all right in your arguments... however they've stated that is NOT the case, and until the 15th of Apr it seems disrespectful to me to just release it w.o their consent. .
Further if that's what they're trying to do, that's for BI to react to, not you guys. I mean I guess if that's the case you're free to react this way... I just don't see it as constructive. (PLEASE also keep in mind I'm on a dev team that wants to develop up to a certain standard before releasing the server files for LOTS of reasons NONE of which are money)
The BI CEO post is in regards to ArmaI and specifically states that there will be dif. rules for A2.. where's that link? The links posted get older and older... I frankly have no clue and don't pretend to be an expert on Arma stuff...
I spent 7 years in the corporate world reading contract law and interpreting it... no matter what any of the EULA's I've seen say, if martin or any of the devs at GP have created custom assets in 3rd party content generators they have rights to those assets...
I don't know whether by virtue of serving them as .pbo's to the public breaks those rights/ability to claim or not...
But I for one just don't understand why they weren't taken on their word and THEN reacted against when they did or didn't release the files publicly themselves on the 15th of Apr...
So you guys just want to confirm Sahrani Dev Team can use/rework/intigrate anything in any of the mods posted here? Without asking or getting prior approval?
Example our next release can include ALL the i44 guns? Or the vehicle models from 2017?? I'm not even saying we'd want to do that but according to this thread that's totally allowed?
I agree on the donor packages but does BI? and if so why haven't they C&D'd the HUNDREDS of servers doing that?
I have mixed feelings on donor's getting reserved slots.... if I was running more popular servers and people who had donated to me were not able to get in on busy nights... I really would have a hard time justifying NOT doing it... I would obv. first try to see if I could run 2 servers with the same map to ease the pressure, but that might kill the first server...
I really don't want to derail like this so I"m going to leave this as my last reply on the matter...
IF GP is trying to profit and package this as a game of it's own or something, obviously you are all right in your arguments... however they've stated that is NOT the case, and until the 15th of Apr it seems disrespectful to me to just release it w.o their consent.
Further if that's what they're trying to do, that's for BI to react to, not you guys. I mean I guess if that's the case you're free to react this way... I just don't see it as constructive. (PLEASE also keep in mind I'm on a dev team that wants to develop up to a certain standard before releasing the server files for LOTS of reasons NONE of which are money)
In regards to the EULA and forum posts everyone is linking...
The BI CEO post is in regards to ArmaI and specifically states that there will be dif. rules for A2.. where's that link? The links posted get older and older... I frankly have no clue and don't pretend to be an expert on Arma stuff...
I spent 7 years in the corporate world reading contract law and interpreting it... no matter what any of the EULA's I've seen say, if martin or any of the devs at GP have created custom assets in 3rd party content generators they have rights to those assets...
I don't know whether by virtue of serving them as .pbo's to the public breaks those rights/ability to claim or not...
But I for one just don't understand why they weren't taken on their word and THEN reacted against when they did or didn't release the files publicly themselves on the 15th of Apr...
I love opendayz... I love dayz... I have no clue who GP are but I did get approached and talked to by Kinghunt personally today and he seemed like a reasonable guy who wanted to work with everyone...
Not sure if he wanted me to say this or not, but he told me that we could use ANY of his assets in Sahrani after the public release and as long as we do not in turn don't approve the sharing of them to anyone else... Which I'll take him on his word for... and wouldn't presume to think otherwise until shown differently.
He is the first Dev Team to offer that so openly to me at least... ( I know other devs in the Sahrani group have talked to some of the other devs and were told they could)
I posted this: http://opendayz.net/index.php?threads/public-shared-assets.8157/ HERE on opendayz.net and haven't herard so much as a peep out of anyone)...
Maybe it wasn't replied to because that's what it already IS and I just don't understand that?
So you guys just want to confirm Sahrani Dev Team can use/rework/intigrate anything in any of the mods posted here? Without asking or getting prior approval?
Example our next release can include ALL the i44 guns? Or the vehicle models from 2017?? I'm not even saying we'd want to do that but according to this thread that's totally allowed?